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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-214421</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 05:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-214366&quot;&gt;Glenys&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Glenys. There’s so much to unpack here. Firstly, as a second-generation veterinarian, I can assure you that back in the day dogs and cats were still desexed, as there have always been  sound medical reasons to do so, which you can find from links within the article. Fundamentally though, they sum up to add one year of life to a female dog who is desexed and that is even with good veterinary care. Later desexing at 5 to 6 years of age will be somewhere in the middle, as you will almost certainly still face multiple mammary tumours, and pyometra is well known to occur even this early. As for coming into heat, the associated bloody discharge comes from the vagina, so it will still be produced when the uterus is removed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-214366">Glenys</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Glenys. There’s so much to unpack here. Firstly, as a second-generation veterinarian, I can assure you that back in the day dogs and cats were still desexed, as there have always been  sound medical reasons to do so, which you can find from links within the article. Fundamentally though, they sum up to add one year of life to a female dog who is desexed and that is even with good veterinary care. Later desexing at 5 to 6 years of age will be somewhere in the middle, as you will almost certainly still face multiple mammary tumours, and pyometra is well known to occur even this early. As for coming into heat, the associated bloody discharge comes from the vagina, so it will still be produced when the uterus is removed.</p>
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		By: Glenys		</title>
		<link>https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-214366</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2022 14:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Andrew
I have an 18 mth old female Airedale. She is intact and she did not have her first season until she was 16 mths old. She is my 5th Airedale but my first female. All my previous boys were not desexed.  Back in the day, dogs, male and female were not desexed unless there was a medical reason to do so, or the owner specifically requested it.  How times have changed. I had not planned on getting her desexed either until I read your articles on desexing and OSS.  Yes, the laws here in SA have changed re desexing but if you have a pedigree dog with papers and ownership you can become a member of Dogs SA and be exempt from DACO desexing laws. I am very grateful to read about the the options you provide and are now considering OSS. I am unclear about one thing though. You say after OSS she will still go on heat. What do you exactly mean by this? I am assuming since she doesn’t have a uterus she will no longer bleed, yet she will still ovulate due to her retained ovary. So are you talking about a “scent thing” in regards to being attractive to males? If so, then how will I know as her owner when she is ovulating ? I do not have an intact male at home. You also discuss late desexing, older than a year old. What are your views on desexing after the age of 5 /6 years since the majority of cases of pyometra occurs later in life. I guess the big question is, why desex at all? There are countries in Europe where desexing is against the law as desexing is regarded as mutilation along with tail docking etc.  It seems to me that only the USA and Australia have taken the view that desexing your dog is a good thing. Maybe compulsory desexing laws are not the answer to lowering the number of unwanted dogs in Australia. Maybe we need new laws making owners more accountable and responsible in regards to unwanted breeding. This would allow our dogs to remain intact, control unwanted breeding and maintain a healthy dog gene pool in this country. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew<br />
I have an 18 mth old female Airedale. She is intact and she did not have her first season until she was 16 mths old. She is my 5th Airedale but my first female. All my previous boys were not desexed.  Back in the day, dogs, male and female were not desexed unless there was a medical reason to do so, or the owner specifically requested it.  How times have changed. I had not planned on getting her desexed either until I read your articles on desexing and OSS.  Yes, the laws here in SA have changed re desexing but if you have a pedigree dog with papers and ownership you can become a member of Dogs SA and be exempt from DACO desexing laws. I am very grateful to read about the the options you provide and are now considering OSS. I am unclear about one thing though. You say after OSS she will still go on heat. What do you exactly mean by this? I am assuming since she doesn’t have a uterus she will no longer bleed, yet she will still ovulate due to her retained ovary. So are you talking about a “scent thing” in regards to being attractive to males? If so, then how will I know as her owner when she is ovulating ? I do not have an intact male at home. You also discuss late desexing, older than a year old. What are your views on desexing after the age of 5 /6 years since the majority of cases of pyometra occurs later in life. I guess the big question is, why desex at all? There are countries in Europe where desexing is against the law as desexing is regarded as mutilation along with tail docking etc.  It seems to me that only the USA and Australia have taken the view that desexing your dog is a good thing. Maybe compulsory desexing laws are not the answer to lowering the number of unwanted dogs in Australia. Maybe we need new laws making owners more accountable and responsible in regards to unwanted breeding. This would allow our dogs to remain intact, control unwanted breeding and maintain a healthy dog gene pool in this country.<br />
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-136515</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2021 06:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-136493&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Cindy. You’ll find answers to a lot of these questions in two related pages, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/best-age-neuter-border-collie/&quot;&gt;The best age to desex Border collies&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/dog-desex-neuter-options/&quot;&gt;The choices for desexing dogs&lt;/a&gt;. Get back in touch if you’re still uncertain. However, tubal ligation should only be considered a temporary procedure to allow for sex hormone presence during growth prior to complete ovariectomy or ovariohysterectomy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-136493">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Cindy. You’ll find answers to a lot of these questions in two related pages, <a href="https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/best-age-neuter-border-collie/">The best age to desex Border collies</a> and <a href="https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/dog-desex-neuter-options/">The choices for desexing dogs</a>. Get back in touch if you’re still uncertain. However, tubal ligation should only be considered a temporary procedure to allow for sex hormone presence during growth prior to complete ovariectomy or ovariohysterectomy.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-136493</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2021 23:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are getting a border collie puppy in a few weeks. The breeder has told us she will have tubal ligation at 8 weeks prior to us getting her but that we can choose to have her fully desexed which would mean she wouldn’t have to have a second surgery later.  We can chose not to have her fully desexed now (just tubal ligation) and have her fully desexed later which I am assuming you would recommend given the increased risk of incontinence and joint dysplasia. Is this correct? Is hip dysplasia common in border collies? Do we have to have her fully desexed or is tubal ligation enough? If we do have to have her fully desexed is removal of just ovaries preferred over traditional method of removing ovaries and uterus?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are getting a border collie puppy in a few weeks. The breeder has told us she will have tubal ligation at 8 weeks prior to us getting her but that we can choose to have her fully desexed which would mean she wouldn’t have to have a second surgery later.  We can chose not to have her fully desexed now (just tubal ligation) and have her fully desexed later which I am assuming you would recommend given the increased risk of incontinence and joint dysplasia. Is this correct? Is hip dysplasia common in border collies? Do we have to have her fully desexed or is tubal ligation enough? If we do have to have her fully desexed is removal of just ovaries preferred over traditional method of removing ovaries and uterus?</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-133623</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-133590&quot;&gt;Carol&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Carol. Tubal ligation should have no adverse affects other than any associated with surgery (and therefore none at all if everything goes to plan). I think it’s a good alternative if breeders insist on early Desexing so that we don’t lose the effects of hormones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-133590">Carol</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Carol. Tubal ligation should have no adverse affects other than any associated with surgery (and therefore none at all if everything goes to plan). I think it’s a good alternative if breeders insist on early Desexing so that we don’t lose the effects of hormones.</p>
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		By: Carol		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Andrew,   Very interesting facts re desexing.   At some point during the year I hope to be getting a mini schnauzer puppy.   One breeder will sell me a  puppy with having a  tubal ligation procedure been done and another breeder who does not do this.  I know I will still have to have the pup desexed at 6 months.   My question is..... does having a tubal ligation procedure done at pre 10weeks of age have any downsides... ie anaesthetic, trauma etc.  etc.  Which is the better way to go - if any.
thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,   Very interesting facts re desexing.   At some point during the year I hope to be getting a mini schnauzer puppy.   One breeder will sell me a  puppy with having a  tubal ligation procedure been done and another breeder who does not do this.  I know I will still have to have the pup desexed at 6 months.   My question is&#8230;.. does having a tubal ligation procedure done at pre 10weeks of age have any downsides&#8230; ie anaesthetic, trauma etc.  etc.  Which is the better way to go &#8211; if any.<br />
thanks</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-118975</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 21:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-118862&quot;&gt;Michele&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Michele. It’s fair to say that the problems we see with early spay are likely to be greater for the larger breeds of dogs, but they won’t disappear completely for small and toy breeds either. Therefore, the decision to spay before six months of age in any dog will come with some inherent disadvantage, even if it is small. It’s up to each breeder to make an argument that there is enough advantage with earlier desexing to offset this (I can only think of prevention of backyard breeding).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-118862">Michele</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Michele. It’s fair to say that the problems we see with early spay are likely to be greater for the larger breeds of dogs, but they won’t disappear completely for small and toy breeds either. Therefore, the decision to spay before six months of age in any dog will come with some inherent disadvantage, even if it is small. It’s up to each breeder to make an argument that there is enough advantage with earlier desexing to offset this (I can only think of prevention of backyard breeding).</p>
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		By: Michele		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 09:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Andrew,  I breed Griffons, dogs under 5kg. I desexed my first litter at 12  weeks and there have been no issues at all. The subsequent litters were not desexed after a lot of pressure from the other breeders, but I feel like the benefits of desexing my puppies will far outweigh the possible negatives.  For larger breeds I certainly understand why you would delay desexing but Im not sure about the smaller breeds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Andrew,  I breed Griffons, dogs under 5kg. I desexed my first litter at 12  weeks and there have been no issues at all. The subsequent litters were not desexed after a lot of pressure from the other breeders, but I feel like the benefits of desexing my puppies will far outweigh the possible negatives.  For larger breeds I certainly understand why you would delay desexing but Im not sure about the smaller breeds.</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-70293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-70233&quot;&gt;Ania&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Ania. It’s likely that ovariectomy will have similar rates of urinary incontinence to a full spay procedure. However, it hasn’t been studied specifically to my knowledge and I suspect that your vet may be correct in saying there will be a slight reduction in risk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-70233">Ania</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Ania. It’s likely that ovariectomy will have similar rates of urinary incontinence to a full spay procedure. However, it hasn’t been studied specifically to my knowledge and I suspect that your vet may be correct in saying there will be a slight reduction in risk.</p>
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		By: Ania		</title>
		<link>https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-70233</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ania]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-8566&quot;&gt;Andrew&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Andrew! 
Thank you for educating owners on spay and neuter options available in the US. I have two female Westies (10 month old &#038; 3.5 month old) and am considering either OSS or the surgery that only removes the ovariectomy. Is the percentage of urinary incontinence lower with an ovariectomy as well? My vet mentioned that about 10-20% of the hormones remain with the cervix still in place. I would like to give my girls a long life without any health issues and am trying to decide which procedure is beat. Thank you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.walkervillevet.com.au/blog/ovary-sparing-spay/#comment-8566">Andrew</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Andrew!<br />
Thank you for educating owners on spay and neuter options available in the US. I have two female Westies (10 month old &amp; 3.5 month old) and am considering either OSS or the surgery that only removes the ovariectomy. Is the percentage of urinary incontinence lower with an ovariectomy as well? My vet mentioned that about 10-20% of the hormones remain with the cervix still in place. I would like to give my girls a long life without any health issues and am trying to decide which procedure is beat. Thank you!</p>
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